Saturday, October 22, 2016

David C Pack: The World's Most Perfect Man Who Is Incapable of Doing Wrong

On October 11, 1999, Mr. Pack was approached, at his insistence, by those people who had been employees, volunteers, and/or, contractors of the Restored Church of God, and was confronted with further explicit evidence of his sowing discord. He told us that he was sorry and would repent. We withdrew from him to give him time to show fruits of repentance. The result was, rather than admitting before the church that he had been the one causing all the problems presented to him, he has decided to attack those who have confronted him over his conduct.

Link here.

  • Mr. Pack has stated that he is not held to The Law (biblical) as members are - not that he is held to a higher standard, but that these things don't apply to him (1 Tim 3:1-7, Titus 1:5-15, John 14:15, 1 Tim 5:19-21)
  • Mr. Pack stated in the first office staff meeting, as Restored was being formed, that he would not look at tithe/contribution records. He decided he could not be held to that promise and began looking at these records immediately prior to the Feast of Trumpets 1999 (Ex 20:16, Mat 5:37)
  • Mr. Pack divulged, among the office staff, those who were the largest contributors, and those who tithed once a year and/or quarterly (Lev 19:16)
  • Mr. Pack showed favoritism in duty assignments based on contributions (Lev 19:15, Jam 2:1-9)
  • Mr. Pack was divulging confidential information given him in counseling sessions and used the information in an attempt to divide family members or as a reason to sever people from their position(s) at RCG (employee, contractor, or, volunteer) (Lev 19:11, 13, 16)
  • Mr. Pack was found to be a talebearer in that he was repeating stories rather than putting a stop to them (Lev 19:16)
  • Mr. Pack "terminated for cause" one of the staff members of RCG because he had not paid tithes, even though he was self-employed and all during the time he worked for RCG had incurred losses - therefore had no increase to tithe on (Lev 19:11, 13, 15)
  • Mr. Pack claimed that certain people embezzled funds after his having approved of the expenditure and or reimbursement (Lev 19:11)
  • Mr. Pack demanded people work for the church for free, while being paid their severance from their prior employer (e.g., if a person was being paid for two weeks of accrued vacation after resigning, Mr. Pack required them to work for RCG for two weeks without accruing pay) (Lev 19:13)
  • Mr. Pack was sowing discord within families and between husband and wife (Lev 19:16)
  • Mr. Pack was sowing discord between the various groups he was trying to get to join RCG (Lev 19:16)
  • Mr. Pack on a regular basis exaggerated figures as to income and/or attendance (Lev 19:11, Ex 20:16, Col 3:9)
  • Mr. Pack quickly and easily trampled on brethren who even slightly opposed or held a different viewpoint or opinion. Many times this precipitated inconceivable schemes by him. This was found to be a pattern throughout much of his ministry. (2 Cor 1:24 John 7:24)
  • Mr. Pack stated that one of the persons bringing the problems to him had gone public with that information. He [Mr. Pack] was challenged on this, and could provide no proof, yet continued to make similar statements. (Ex 20:16, 23:1-2, Lev 19:11, 16, Deu 16:19-20)

The false prophet was confronted with his lies and he responds by doing this:
Meanwhile, Mr. Pack ultimately refused to accept his responsibility in these matters and then began attacking those bringing the problems to his attention. Part of that attack was to attempt to discredit the persons bringing the Mat 18 situation, and the witnesses, with the ministers within RCG. In doing this, he was telling those ministers to ignore what was brought before them, whereby he interfered with judgment - a violation of those principles found in Ex. 23 and Deut. 16 concerning interfering with the giving of judgment:
He even went so far as to "disfellowship" and "mark" one of the ministers who questioned him [Mr. Pack] on his conduct and his [Mr. Pack] sowing of discord.

Friday, October 21, 2016

Self Care and Forgiveness

Sometimes, perhaps,  and even here on Banned, it is good to pause and rise a bit higher than just sharing experiences or offering opinions about the pain, hurt, anger and not wishing the still abusive, self absorbed, theologically challenged and plainly unstable leadership of the remaining Splits, Splinters and Sliver Churches of God  well in their abusive and ignorant fake ministries.

Everyone that visits Banned has a story and it is not  a happy one. Banned provides an outlet for moving along in the process of recovery and learning what it is that we wish we had known or done when we didn't know it or what to do.  Banned also provides a safe place for those still rather trapped in their splinter to get a perspective on their church and its leadership they certainly aren't going to get in Sabbath Services with the hope that they can exit in their own time and for their own good reasons.  There are even a few zealots who come to banned to chide us for everything from a lack of faith to lying about what really is in the splinters.  So be it...

As well, the utter theological stupidity of most of the splinter leadership need be continually exposed because these untrained "Mere Bible Readers" as I choose to call them,  are not only ridiculous in their teachings but dangerous in their personalities.  

But at the end of the day, everyone who comes here, if one is ever going to actually recover from the experience and live a quality life in the actual present , which is all we ever really have, the past and the future being only memories or anxieties in our heads and not real, then forgiving someone for something is probably going have to be part of our experience as well. 

Our own quality of life, whether we like it or not, depends on rising to the experience with whatever degree of forgiveness one can muster .  Someone once told me when I was in the midst of what I suppose could only be called a personal pity party, "You know, those people are probably out to lunch having a great time and not thinking one bit about you or what they have done."  Um....yeah, I know.  Somehow it helped me regain the concept of taking care of me and forgetting about them.  But that takes skill , determination and understanding how and why forgiveness is not just a way to cope but actually the only real way to keep moving for your own good sake and the sake of those you love and who love you. 

So...let me offer to us all the higher thoughts of others than just "they done me wrong" with the hope they can make one's experience here at Banned more mature and positive as we sort through the ashes.

If one feels this is not in keeping with the spirit or intent of Banned, then you'll have to forgive me.

"Let's get one thing straight: Forgiving is not something you do for someone else. It is not even something you do because you SHOULD, according to the standards of religious belief or human decency. Forgiving is something that you do for yourself. It is one way of becoming the person you were created to be--and fulfilling God's dream of you is the only way to true wholeness and happiness. You NEED to forgive so that you can move forward with life. An unforgiven injury binds you to a time and place someone else has chosen; it holds you trapped in a past moment and in old feelings."
Carol Luebering - Finding A Way To Forgive (article, CareNotes)

"You can forgive someone almost anything. But you cannot tolerate everything...We don't have to tolerate what people do just because we forgive them for doing it. 
Forgiving heals us personally. To tolerate everything only hurts us all in the long run."
Lewis B. Smedes - Forgive and Forget: Healing the Hurts We Don't Deserve

"When we forgive evil we do not excuse it, we do not tolerate it, we do not smother it. 
We look the evil full in the face, call it what it is, let its horror shock and stun and enrage us, 
and only then do we forgive it."
Lewis B. Smedes - Forgive andForget: Healing the Hurts We Don't Deserve

"The problem with revenge is that it never gets what it wants; it never evens the score. Fairness never comes. The chain reaction set off by every act of vengeance always takes its unhindered course. It ties both the injured and the injurer to an escalator of pain...Why do family feuds go on and on?...the reason is simple: no two people, no two families, ever weigh pain on the same scale."
Lewis B. Smedes - Forgive and Forget: Healing the Hurts We Don't Deserve

"The one who pursues revenge should dig two graves."
Allen C. Guelzo - Fear Of Forgiving (article, Christianity Today, 
February 8, 1993) Hurts We Don't Deserve

"It is potentially dangerous if pastoral counselors insist on a client's withholding 
forgiveness until the other repents. We can easily imagine a devastated client who is 
trapped in bitterness or even hatred because of the legalistic requirement 
that the other must repent. 
The client's psychological well-being is now dependent on the other's response."
George Herbert -

"Sometimes choices are made in the name of forgiveness while what is occurring isn't forgiveness at all. It is important not to confuse being forgiving with denying your own feelings, needs, and desires. Forgiving doesn't mean being passive and staying in a job or a relationship that clearly doesn't work for you or is abusive. It is important that you are clear about your boundaries. What is acceptable for you? If you are willing to allow unacceptable behavior again and again in the name of 'forgiveness,' you are more than likely using 'forgiveness' as an excuse not to take responsibility for taking care of yourself or as a way to avoid making changes." 
Robin Casarjian - Forgiveness: A Bold Choice For A Peaceful Heart

   None of us wants to admit that we hate someone...When we deny our hate we detour around the crisis of forgiveness. We suppress our spite, make adjustments, and make believe we are too good to be hateful. But the truth is that we do not dare to risk admitting the hate we feel because we do not dare to risk forgiving the person we hate."
Lewis B. Smedes - Forgive and Forget: Healing the Hurts We Don't Deserve

"We attach our feelings to the moment when we were hurt, endowing it with immortality. And we let it assault us every time it comes to mind. It travels with us, sleeps with us, hovers over us while we make love, and broods over us while we die. Our hate does not even have the decency to die when those we hate die--for it is a parasite sucking OUR blood, not theirs. There is only one remedy for it. [forgiveness]
Lewis B. Smedes - Forgive and Forget: Healing the Hurts We Don't Deserve

"You will know that forgiveness has begun when you recall those who hurt you 
and feel the power to wish them well."
Lewis B. Smedes - Forgive and Forget: Healing the Hurts We Don't Deserve

"Their pain [the injurer's pain at having injured you] and your pain create the point and counterpoint for the rhythm of reconciliation. When the beat of their pain is a response to the beat of yours, they have become truthful in their feelings...they have moved a step closer to a truthful reunion."
Lewis B. Smedes - Forgive and Forget: Healing the Hurts We Don't Deserve

"...Forgiving is not having to understand. Understanding may come later, in fragments, an insight here and a glimpse there, after forgiving."
Lewis B. Smedes - Forgive and Forget: Healing the Hurts We Don't Deserve

"The rule is: we cannot really forgive ourselves unless we look at the failure 
in our past and call it by its right name."
Lewis B. Smedes - Forgive and Forget: Healing the Hurts We Don't Deserve

"If we say that monsters [people who do terrible evil] are beyond forgiving, we give them a power they should never have...they are given the power to keep their evil alive in the hearts of those who suffered most. We give them power to condemn their victims to live forever with the hurting memory of their painful pasts. We give the monsters the last word."
Lewis B. Smedes - Forgive and Forget: Healing the Hurts We Don't Deserve

"With a little time, and a little more insight, we begin to see both ourselves and our enemies in humbler profiles. We are not really as innocent as we felt when we were first hurt. And we do not usually have a gigantic monster to forgive; we have a weak, needy, and somewhat stupid human being. When you see your enemy and yourself in the weakness and silliness of the humanity you share, you will make the miracle of forgiving a little easier."
Lewis B. Smedes - Forgive and Forget: Healing the Hurts We Don't Deserve

"We forgive freely or we do not really forgive at all."
Lewis B. Smedes - Forgive and Forget: Healing the Hurts We Don't Deserve

"Gandhi was right: if we all live by 'an eye for an eye' the whole world will be blind. 
The only way out is forgiveness."
Sidney and Suzanne Simon - Forgiveness: How To Make Peace With Your Past 
And Get On With Your Life"

All the years you have waited for them to "make it up to you" and all the energy you expended trying to make them change (or make them pay) kept the old wounds from healing and gave pain from the past free rein to shape and even damage your life. And still they may not have changed. Nothing you have done has made them change. Indeed, they may never change. Inner peace is found by changing yourself, not the people who hurt you. And you change yourself for yourself, for the joy, serenity, peace of mind, understanding, compassion, laughter, and bright future that you get."
Lewis B. Smedes - The Art of Forgiving: When You Need To Forgive And Don't Know How

"I have discovered that most people who tell me that they cannot forgive a person who wronged them are handicapped by a mistaken understanding of what forgiving is."
Lewis B. Smedes - The Art of Forgiving: When You Need To Forgive And Don't Know How

"Forgiving is an affair strictly between a victim and a victimizer. Everyone else should step aside...The worst wounds I ever felt were the ones people gave to my children. Wrong my kids, you wrong me. And my hurt qualifies me to forgive you. But only for the pain you caused me when you wounded them. My children alone are qualified to forgive you for what you did to them."
Lewis B. Smedes - The Art of Forgiving: When You Need To Forgive And Don't Know How

"I am certain that people never forgive because they believe they have an obligation to do it or because someone told them to do it. Forgiveness has to come from inside as a desire of the heart. Wanting to is the steam that pushes the forgiving engine."
Lewis B. Smedes - The Art of Forgiving: When You Need To Forgive And Don't Know How

"Not even God can make something fair out of what is intrinsically unfair. Only one thing can be done. Something must break through the crust of unfairness and create a chance for a new fairness. Only forgiveness can make the breakthrough."
Lewis B. Smedes - The Art of Forgiving: When You Need To Forgive And Don't Know How

"I worry about fast forgivers. They tend to forgive quickly in order to avoid their pain. Or they forgive fast in order to get an advantage over the people they forgive. And their instant forgiving only makes things worse...People who have been wronged badly and wounded deeply should give themselves time and space before they forgive...There is a right moment to forgive. We cannot predict it in advance; we can only get ourselves ready for it when it arrives...Don't do it quickly, but don't wait too long...If we wait too long to forgive, 
our rage settles in and claims squatter's rights to our souls."
Lewis B. Smedes - The Art of Forgiving: When You Need To Forgive And Don't Know How

"Spoken forgiving, no matter how heartfelt, works best when we do not demand the response we want. I mean that when we tell people we forgive them, we must leave them free to respond to our good news however they are inclined. If the response is not what we hoped for, we can go home and enjoy our own healing in private."
Lewis B. Smedes - The Art of Forgiving: When You Need To Forgive And Don't Know How
"Forgiving does not usually happen at once. It is a process, sometimes a long one, especially when it comes to wounds gouged deep. And we must expect some lapses...some people seem to manage to finish off forgiving in one swoop of the heart. But when they do, you can bet they are forgiving flesh wounds. Deeper cuts take more time and can use a second coat."
Lewis B. Smedes - The Art of Forgiving: When You Need To Forgive And Don't Know How

"Forgiving does not erase the bitter past. A healed memory is not a deleted memory. Instead, forgiving what we cannot forget creates a new way to remember. We change the memory of our past into a hope for our future."
Beverly Flanigan - Forgiving The Unforgivable: Overcoming the Legacy of Intimate Wounds

"Forgiveness has nothing to do with forgetting...A wounded person cannot--indeed, should not--think that a faded memory can provide an expiation of the past. To forgive, one must remember the past, put it into perspective, and move beyond it. Without remembrance, no wound can be transcended."
Beverly Flanigan - Forgiving The Unforgivable: Overcoming the Legacy of Intimate Wounds"

A [seemingly] unforgivable injury is a profound and irreversible assault on the fundamental belief system of the person who has been injured...It is not the battering but what happens to a battered woman's beliefs as a result of the battering that makes [the injury seemingly so] unforgivable...[the most serious] injuries separate people from the very ideas they once believed were true--beliefs about themselves, the world, other people, good and bad, right and wrong, the future, and even the validity of the history they have shared with the person who hurt them...
The forgiving process is one in which both morality and meaning
 are defined and redefined until the world again makes sense [to the person injured]."
Beverly Flanigan - Forgiving The Unforgivable: Overcoming the Legacy of Intimate Wounds

"Forgiveness is a rebirth of hope, a reorganization of thought, and a reconstruction of dreams. Once forgiving begins, dreams can be rebuilt. When forgiving is complete, meaning has been extracted from the worst of experiences and used to create a new set of moral 
rules and a new interpretation of life's events."
Beverly Flanigan - Forgiving The Unforgivable: Overcoming the Legacy of Intimate Wounds

"In a way, forgiving is only for the brave. It is for those people who are willing to confront their pain, accept themselves as permanently changed, and make difficult choices. Countless individuals are satisfied to go on resenting and hating people who wrong them. They stew in their own inner poisons and even contaminate those around them. Forgivers, on the other hand, are not content to be stuck in a quagmire. They reject the possibility that the rest of their lives will be determined by the unjust and injurious acts of another person."
Gordon Dalbey - Letter to the Editor, The Christian Century (November 20-7, 1991)

"Vengeance is having a videotape planted in your soul that cannot be turned off. It plays the painful scene over and over again inside your mind...And each time it plays you feel the clap of pain again...Forgiving turns off the videotape of pained memory Forgiving sets you free."
Lewis Smedes - Forgiveness: The Power To Change The Past (article, Christianity Today, January 7, 1983)

"To forgive is to set a prisoner free and discover that the prisoner was you."
Philip Yancey - The Unnatural Act (article, Christianity Today, April 8, 1991)

"Forgiveness is the only way to break the cycle of blame--and pain--in a relationship...It does not settle all questions of blame and justice and fairness...But it does allow relationships to start over. In that way, said Solzhenitsyn, we differ from all animals. It is not our capacity to think that makes us different, but our capacity to repent, and to forgive."
Old Chinese Proverb -

"Not to forgive is to be imprisoned by the past, by old grievances that do not permit life to proceed with new business. Not to forgive is to yield oneself to another's be locked into a sequence of act and response, of outrage and revenge, tit for tat, escalating always. The present is endlessly overwhelmed and devoured by the past. Forgiveness frees the forgiver. It extracts the forgiver from someone else's nightmare."
Carol Luebering - Finding A Way To Forgive (article, CareNotes)

"You can't forgive what you refuse to remember, any more than you can seek treatment for a disease whose symptoms you have yet to notice."
Carol Luebering - Finding A Way To Forgive (article, CareNotes)

"Forgiveness entails the authentic acceptance of our own worthiness as human beings, the understanding that mistakes are opportunities for growth, awareness and the cultivation of compassion, and the realization that the extension of love to ourselves and others is the glue that holds the universe together. not a set of behaviors, but an attitude."
Robin Casarjian - Forgiveness: A Bold Choice For A Peaceful Heart

"Sometimes forgiving was easy for me; sometimes forgiving was a very bold choice. Whatever kind of choice it was, it always led me to a more peaceful heart. It always left me happier and free to move on to create healthier relationships with others and with myself."
Robin Casarjian - Forgiveness: A Bold Choice For A Peaceful Heart

"Don't allow your self-forgiveness to be contingent upon somebody else's readiness or willingness to forgive you. They may get something out of holding on to anger that they aren't ready to let go of. They may be too frightened or wounded to let go of their anger. Feeling angry may be an important part of their healing process at this time. Allow others to be where they are. Respect their right to feel the way they feel."